I remember my first-ever Jack n’ Jill competition in West Coast Swing. I was competing in Newcomer, but I had several years of dance experience before WCS. So, I had an ‘advantage’ over some of the people in the category.
I ended up making it to finals. I drew this sweet, older gentleman as a partner. He was very, very nervous. We competed, and in the end I think we came 5th. Not shabby.
Then, after the results, he came up to me and apologized for drawing me in competition. I don’t remember the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of “You deserved a better partner. You would have placed higher.”
I felt so bad when he said that. He had this belief that somehow he was holding me back from my rightful place in the division.
Thing is, it wasn’t my ‘rightful’ place. I was perfectly content with 5th. The people in 1, 2, 3, and 4th deserved it.
Even though there was a disparity in the level of leads vs follows (there were far more follows competing), this gentleman was still strong enough in his role to make it to finals. Which means, unless I was lucky enough to draw one of the 1-2 leads who were dancing ‘below’ their natural level, I was dancing with someone who was approximately equal to the rest of the people in the division.
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The idea of a ‘Bad Draw’
It’s often thought that, in any division, there will be people competing at, above, or below the division level. This is true – to an extent. In each event, the division at finals will be a reflection of the top ___% of each role competing. The difficulty for some people comes when there’s a big imbalance of leads/follows: wouldn’t it follow that the role with more people would therefore be more competitive?
Well, yes, also true. The thing is that aside from Newcomer (and sometimes Novice), people do have to actually get enough points to enter that level somehow. Which means that, in theory, they’re pre-qualified. And, unless it is a straight-to-finals comp, they have been already separated to be the top ___% of the people who entered by the time you get to finals.
This means that the effect of ‘Bad Draws’ is very, very small.
Prelims you are judged individually – so it doesn’t really matter *who* you draw. Further, it’s a big disservice to claim that the judges can’t see *your* technique in prelims because of your partner. They’ve (hopefully) been doing this long enough that they know dance technique and quality of movement when they see it.
This isn’t speaking about the problem of “do the judges have enough time to assess me?” That is a separate issue. What I’m talking about is not blaming a lack of time – it’s blaming your drawn partners for your elimination or placement.
Further, there is a difference between not getting a ‘Good Draw’ and getting a ‘Bad Draw’. ‘Bad Draw’ implies that the person you drew was somehow worse than everyone else in the division. By contrast, ‘Good Draw’ means you happened to get someone who is exceptional in comparison with the rest of the people in the division.
What I see sometimes is people complaining of a ‘Bad Draw’ when in reality they simply didn’t get a ‘Good Draw’.
We need to change that conversation away from focusing on ‘Bad Draws’. Instead, focus on how lucky so-and-so was to draw that AWESOME dancer, or how lucky those two great dancers were to draw each other. It’s not about how badly your draw sucked; it’s about how very right their draw went.
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The Conflation between an ‘Average Draw’ and ‘Bad Draw’
At a JnJ competition, you will usually be drawing someone in finals who is at least dancing ‘averagely’ for that division at that event. Which means your ‘bad draw’ is actually an ‘average draw’. Otherwise they wouldn’t be in finals.
Instead of putting someone down as the cause of your undesired result, you should focus on what went so right for the people who won. Yes, it wasn’t you. Yes, it was lucky. But, by focusing on the winners, you can say “Yeah, they kinda deserved it.”
This is kinder to both you and your partner. Instead of tearing someone down, it gives you the great feeling of building someone else up and recognizing their accomplishments. It also serves the added bonus of making you feel less like you were ‘cheated’ out of a win.
We all hope for great draws, but let’s not conflate ‘average draw’ with ‘bad draw’.
Obviously, this article does not refer to an inappropriate partner who makes you scared or with whom you have a bad personal history. This is NOT the sense of ‘bad draw’ that I’m talking about.
As a matter of fact, let’s get away from the idea of ‘bad draw’ entirely. Instead, let’s look at ‘bad draws’ as a lack of compatibility between the partners. For example:
- Connection styles didn’t mesh
- Musical styles didn’t mesh
- The general leveling between leads and follows in the division is off
Let’s take away the idea of blaming a partner in competition, and redistribute any blame towards either a failure in the system or a compliment of another couple’s luck and skill.
Trust me, it’s healthier for everyone. Blaming people just never gets anyone anywhere.
JandJ’s have such a crap shoot component for the average dancer that it’s hard to conceive a proper expectation. I’ve had my best result with a follow I thought I couldn’t lead. I’ve had poorer results years later when I was 3 times better with amazing follows that I just couldn’t get a handle on…at the same comp level. I think a dancer really has to have somthing unique and special to consistantly win.
I dont compete much but ive found that making finals in novice has been fairly easy over the years. Prelim dancing has been so much fun…finals are a different story however…just a crap shoot in my mind. I’ve been ranked 1st and last in the same finals by different judges more than once. I know judges have a system per se.. but individual preferences and pet peeves really shine through in judging.
Regardless, in my experience, I feel that a lead and follow needs to be patient with each other, don’t try to outshine or steal the show. Wait for opportunities, dance the dance, focus on each other at an appropriate level. Relax and have fun.
Perhaps the question should be “Do people deserve more consistent J&J dances / judging” rather than better partners?
Also, I can easily see how someone with poor basics, no connection, consistently off timing, rough lead or disregard of following (the dreaded “styling monsters”) could easily throw off their partner badly while still seeming to look good.
Even after maybe 20 years, my favorite memorable JnJ moment was after dancing to “My Blue Heaven” with a nice guy named Wes. The song was from “our era”; we both enjoyed dancing to it; it made us relax and smile and we had never danced together before so we were both a bit on our best behavior. At the end of the dance he smiled and said, “If I make it to the final round, I can thank you and this song for getting me there.” What a sweet thought. It made me enjoy the JnJ experience. And by the way, we both made it to the finals that day.
Thank you!
Jack and Jills have been around FOREVER. It is for FUN. Please don’t forget this. As a teacher, I often did classes on “jack-n-Jill etiquette. I would explain it was each partners duty to:
1) Have fun first, 2) Laugh off mistakes, 3) Give each person on the “team” time to show off their repertoire, 4) Be gracious and ALWAYS, ALWAYS thank your partner afterward, and try to look for them for a dance later. 5) REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE A BEGINNER, BECAUSE we all had our “first time” with a great (in our minds) dancer whom we felt we let down.
You know what can also hurt even more? You dancing your heart out and nobody judges you in the Jack n Jill. You don’t even score anything. As happened at Casa da Zouk for me in the very first one. I am fairly new (less than 2 years doing zouk) but I dance zouk with mind, heart and soul even if my technique needs work of course. My partners always seem to complement me on dancing and I always try for as much connection as possible so we enjoy the dance together with whomever it might be.. but I was partnered with someone whom was a lot more showy and experienced than I and was clearly not interested in connecting with me as he was interested i showing himself more.. I felt so hurt though the fact that the judges didn’t bother judging me at all though. I’d rather be told I was crap than being ignored outright. Talk about feeding body perceptions let alone dance ability perceptions. It turned me off some dance fests to be honest. I’d loved them til then but that particular festival felt so much more about the ‘aggressive female’ dancer thing that I’ve come to notice at events where there are so many more women (followers) than men (leads). I miss just learning as much as I can and enjoying dancing and practicing with as many people as I can without the whole ‘snatch and grab’ of partners that kept happening to me. The JnJ experience that time, and that event, just ruined it completely for me.
Christina,
That sounds like a very bad experience for your first JnJ. If I may ask, what do you mean by ‘the judges didn’t bother judging you at all’? Do you mean they forgot to give you a bib, or include your scores in the list? Was this in finals or prelims?
I thought that was the case one time and I later learned that the score sheets didn’t include people who received no Y’s in preliminaries. So it might not have been that you weren’t judged… it may have been that none of the judges recommended you to move through to semi-finals. Still hurts, but it is a reminder that we have more things to work on.
I don’t know about Zouk, but in WCS, if a judge does not recommend you to advance to the next round, it doesn’t necessarily mean he or she thought you needed to work on something. It could just mean he or she had already selected the number of people to advance to the next round that he or she was asked to do. In some of these competitions, there are far more finals-worthy contestants (per gender role) than the (predetermined) number of final couples.
There is more on this subject in Maria Ford’s article on judging.
http://smoothstyle.ca/2011/10/what-wcs-judges-are-looking-for
Thanks. This is great, my worst experience in a JnJ was when I felt I had let someone down who was expecting something already. I just couldn’t work together with them and it made me feel even worse and more nervous the longer it went on. We ended up middle of the pack, not even my worst placement and yet, to this day I still feel worse about it than times I didn’t even make finals.
Participants here might be interested in visiting http://AboutDancing.info/Articles/JackJill.html that includes the proposal for Jack ’n’ Jill Mystère.
I have stood behind several judges and have noticed they did not score any individual but seemed to use their considerable ability to watch and find the individuals who can respond to the range of partners.
this seems so appropriate for the J and J.
I agree about being able to dance with a range of partners. The problem is not that partners dance styles or don’t mesh or that the music doesn’t fit your style. Rather it is ones inability to adapt to different dancers. Lately my focus has been to be like tofu. Not flavorless but rather take on the flavor of the partners styling cues. It’s challenging and fun.
Andy Bouman shared some thoughts about the significance of partner draw in this rec.arts.dance thread from late 1994:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.dance/DUYK4bkCXYQ/discussion